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Sista’s Place (part 2)


Our conversation with Viola Plummer, Roger Wareham, and Ahmed Abdullah of Sista’s Place, Brooklyn’s vibrant Saturday night jazz series, continues…

The last time I visited Sista’s Place, to hear a rough & ready band featuring Hamiet Bluiett, D.D. Jackson, Andrew Cyrille, Billy Bang, Bob Stewart, and Sista’s artistic director Ahmed Abdullah, I was struck by the energetic synergy between audience and musicians. There was a constant amen corner from the audience and that in turn seemed to feed the musicians to higher heights, and a palpable raised energy level that was apparent not only in their playing but even on their faces. Part two of our conversation begins with that audience/artist relationship fostered at Sista’s Place.

What’s the reaction from musicians who play Sista’s Place?

Viola Plummer: Everyone says this is it, this is one of the best places they’ve ever played. Because number one they get paid, number two they appreciate that the people listen to their music and that we treat them like they’re artists, and like they’re contributing to our struggle; and then the way the audience responds to them…

Roger Wareham: Many of the artists who have played here talk about the atmosphere when they play here, that they feel so comfortable they just enjoy playing. The artists [who play Sista’s Place] are treated like royalty, they’re not background music for people’s discussions, people come here to hear the music. I remember when I was at [Harvard] and I went to visit Cornell and we heard [poet] Don Lee — he hadn’t become Haki Madhabouti yet. I remember during his reading he had to stop at one point and tell [the audience] to shut up and listen because people were talking, it was disrespectful, and that was the first time I thought about that. People ought to respect the art, and so that’s what we do at Sista’s Place; the most important thing we have are the artists. We don’t always have the resouces to pay them what they’re worth, but we always make sure we pay them what they agree to.

Is Sista’s Place a not-for-profit?

RW: Yeah. And if not enough people walk through the door [artist fees] come out of our pockets. Like Abbey [Lincoln} said, ‘the artists gotta get paid,’ that’s our position. And I think the artists appreciate that, they know when they come here that they are treated and regarded as important contributors to the continuum of our culture.

When I interviewed saxophonist James Spaulding for this Weeksville project he talked about having played the East and now playing Sista’s Place. The first thing he mentioned was looking out on the audience at Sista’s and seeing “a sea of faces that look like me,” and he talked about the audience interaction. For him Sista’s Place felt much the same as playing the East. How would you compare Sista’s to the East?

RW: I think it’s true. I went to the East a couple of times. The first time I saw Betty Carter. The East was cultural nationalist with politics on the line and the whole atmosphere there was something that you immersed yourself in and felt very comfortable with; it emerged out of the struggle of the 60s around black power, black nationalism, and black culture. Sista’s Place has emerged out of the continuation of that struggle around the struggle for black folks’ right to self-determination, to own and control our own things, to exercise dominion over our culture and not have it taken off and commercialized and stolen by other folks, as is the history of just about everything in the United States of America.

Having visited the East and now being an integral part of the operation here at Sista’s Place, when you come here for a performance does it feel very similar?

RW: Yes, it feels very similar; people come in and they feel almost like they’re listening to live music in their home. That’s what a lot of the artists say, that’s what people say, that ‘I feel at home here.’ We had a birthday celebration here for James Spaulding a few weeks ago and he was so ecstatic. They performed and we had birthday cake and everything and the glee on his face was [palpable]; you can tell that he really enjoys playing here and it is reciprocated — and that’s the continuation of the East. The performances here are a living interaction.

Things have changed in a number of different ways since the East. Back then they established the place as purely for African Americans. That apparently never was the policy at Sista’s Place. Given the fact that Sista’s Place audiences are not exclusively black, does it engender the same type of atmosphere?

RW: Yeah, because most of the time the white folks that come here are in the minority; this is not an organization or place where a minority can come here and dictate the atmosphere for the majority. As long as folks don’t act rowdy, there’s not a problem, It helps pay the band. That’s not really an issue because the audience is predominantly black and we set the tone of what happens here. There are some [white] people who come here who are regulars and they’re real cool. Sometimes we get people who come here from abroad and there really haven’t been any problems.

It’s gotta be a bit of a revelation for people who come here from abroad to experience a typical Sista’s Place audience, as opposed to going to some of the more traditional jazz clubs in Manhattan.

RW: Yeah, I guess for them it’s sort of like when they go to black churches on their tours. When we first started people would come here and say ‘oh, this place should be in the Village…’ Why can’t this place be in the black community in Brooklyn, why’s it gotta be in the Village? Why can’t we have this quality in our community? We charge $20-25 for what they charge $50 for at the Vanguard… plus a minimum!

Talk about the performance policy at Sista’s Place.

Ahmed Abdullah: When I started we were doing jazz every two weeks and from then we went to jazz every week, and then we added different forums, like a forum we had called “Conversations with Artists,” where we would interview the artists before they came to play, or after they came to play so that there would be an outreach to the community, so that the people would know who these artists were. I saw nothing adventurous in music in Brooklyn in the 1980s into the 90s when I came to Sista’s Place, and I come from musical adventure. [Editor’s note: in addition to his own musical exploits Abdullah spent 22 years as a member of the Sun Ra Arkestra.] So I wanted to bring some of this [adventurous] music in to Sista’s Place and I [wondered] how could I do it [successfully]. For one thing you gotta talk to black folks; if you don’t talk to black folks… it’s a personal thing. ‘Do I know you”? If I know you, then I might come to see you; if I don’t know you then ‘later for you, I’ve got other things to do, I’ve got enough pressure on me.’ So [the artist conversations] became a real forum to help us bridge the gap to do what we do in Brooklyn because basically we’ve never advertised. The New York Times will give us some play… any number of magazines will write a blurb on us… We’ve always been trying to tap into the community and get the community to support what we’re doing. We call it “Jazz is the music of the spirit” and we believe that is the music — and this goes back to the East and seeing the symbiotic relationship between the community and the artist that was there, and to know that was a very important part of really moving the music forward. The music has to be rooted in the people in order to move the music forward. All of the things I was involved with in Manhattan never really had that. We were Bohemian artists, we weren’t people who… we may have been culturally aware but we weren’t involved in our culture in any way, except to play music. The difference is what we’re doing in Brooklyn now is that there is an understanding of the need, there is an active involvement with the community, there’s an active outreach to the community, and it’s making a difference.

What is your planning process for the jazz presenting season at Sista’s Place?

AA: Usually we start in August when we start planning for September to December. Then in December we plan from January to March, and sometime in February we work on our festival — which runs April-June. We’re still trying to do things that we feel are adventurous, still cutting edge, on Saturday nights. And I do book myself in twice a year.

Talk about the artist forums you present.

AA: We have many different forums at Sista’s Place; I’m constantly trying to figure out ways to get people in the place. The music is still a mystery [to most folks]; we artists work at honing our craft for hours and hours… most people don’t do that with what they do in [work] life. So to expect that somebody’s gonna come and really be open to what you’re doing, when you’re doing something that they’re not necessarily involved with is absurd. You’ve gotta be able to bridge that gap, and if you are the smartest person in the room — or so you think — then you need to reach out and try to personalize what you do. I think that the artist onstage has to be able to talk the people through the music. [Drummer] Andrew Cyrille, when he played here last Saturday with the Haitian Fascination, was a classic example of that. He talked about his background, his parents coming from Haiti, talked about the musicians [in his band] and how he had a relationship with them, where they came from, where they met… All that is important stuff that makes you as a member of the audience feel a part of what it is that person is doing. This music requires an educational forum.

How do you structure these forums?

AA: We would have an artist who is coming in [to perform on a Saturday night], we would have them come in a week before and we would find as much information as we can on them and have them talk to the audience; we would do an interview with them in front of the [free] audience. We also tape these interviews so that we have them as historical records. Or we do [the interviews] in the middle of the show. [For example} We would have a first set and at intermission we would have a conversation, then the second set.

What are some of the programs presented here besides the jazz presentations?

RW: We’ve had games nights, we’ve run some education [programs]; there’s a writer’s workshop run by Louis Reyes Rivera every other week where people come and get help with their writing. We’ve [presented] plays; we rent it out for wedding showers and parties; we’ve had a film series, a book club called the Revolutionary Book Club… So [Sista’s Place] has been pretty much open to the community. We have open mike where young people come… We’ve done a lot of things over the 15 years.

VP: I think Sista’s Place is wonderful, it has had the benefit of the history of the East; it has had the benefit of the coming together of jazz & poetry, and history… I think what Sista’s Place has enabled us to do is to meet people that [the audience has] only read about. We do this thing for Trane and people are so engrossed with the genius; and we do this thing for Miles, and now my grandchildren can talk to me about some real music. We do it for the music; if we could just keep pushing this kind of network, it would be our path towards freedom.

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African Rhythms tops Critics’ Poll

Special thanks to the critics and journalists who participated in the 2010 JazzTimes magazine Year in Review Critics’ Poll (see March 2011 issue with the Henry Threadgill cover) for selecting African Rhythms the autobiography of Randy Weston (Composed by Randy Weston, Arranged by Willard Jenkins; Duke University Press) tops in the Book category!

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Jimmy Heath: “I Walked with Giants”


Last month as part of the 2nd annual Mid-Atlantic Jazz Festival, the great NEA Jazz Master Jimmy Heath was on hand to perform with the Whit Williams Quintet. His performance once again showed how there’s nothing quite like veteran mastery. Jimmy’s relaxed brand of swinging brought a fire to that bandstand no matter what the tempo. The next afternoon I had an opportunity to interview Jimmy on the subject of his very revealing and rewarding autobiography I Walked with Giants — and when Jimmy Heath says that you’d better believe him. The man grew up musically in Philadelphia alongside boyhood pals John Coltrane and Benny Golson, was one of his great friend Miles Davis‘ saxophonists and composers of choice, worked alongside Clifford Brown (billed as “Cliff Brown” in an old news clip Jimmy laid on me from a long ago gig at Peps in Philly) and Lee Morgan, and has graced countless bandstands — including alongside his brothers Percy on bass and Albert “Tootie” Heath on drums, both masters in their own right.

The Jazz Video Guy, Bret Primack, swooped down from Planet Bret to capture our interview — and untold other valuable festival footage over the course of the weekend — and has been running it on his YouTube channel. 

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A Jazz/Cultural beachhead in Brooklyn: Sista’s Place (Part One)

Some weeks back an invigorating, spirited Saturday evening was spent at Sista’s Place, a cooperative black enterprise at 456 Nostrand Avenue (corner of Jefferson Avenue; by subway take A or C train to Nostrand Ave. stop) in Brooklyn. The occasion was an all-star band including trumpeter Ahmed Abdullah, baritone saxophonist Hamiet Bluiett, violinist Billy Bang, pianist D.D. Jackson, tubist Bob Stewart, and drummer Andrew Cyrille. Needless to say, with such fire breathers onstage the action was ferocious. And this was an audience that fed the fire in equal turns. Though comfortably mixed, the audience was decidedly African American, and a constant amen corner further stoked the musicians; their delight at playing for such an encouraging audience was palpable on the artists’ faces and in their playing. There’s nothing quite like a thoroughly engaged audience to coax high caliber performances.

Then on a recent Sunday afternoon we had a return visit to Sista’s Place for a book signing with Randy Weston for our book African Rhythms, the autobiography of Randy Weston (Composed by Randy Weston, Arranged by Willard Jenkins; Duke University Press). Once again the Sista’s Place audience was thoroughly engaged, delighting in Weston’s vivid recounting of his life in Brooklyn and in his quest of the spirits of our ancestors.

Located in a very pleasant and spotless corner storefront, with adjacent food cooperative, Sista’s Place can comfortably accommodate about 75 patrons at small tables; that close proximity lending further credence to the amen corner. The walls are adorned with many of the jazz masters who’ve performed at Sista’s, and looming over all is the patron saint, John Coltrane. At Sista’s Place the philosophy of “Jazz, a music of the spirit” is blessedly alive and well. Jazz has a true home at Sista’s Place, a vibrant community center, cultural gathering place, and political pow-wow of sorts where the jazz series runs on Saturday nights. Sista’s Place officially opened for jazz, in its nearby former incarnation, on September 23, 1995 — John Coltrane’s birthday, another reason for Trane’s honored position in the Sista’s pantheon.

As part of our ongoing Brooklyn jazz archives project for the Weeksville Heritage Center (www.weeksvillesociety.org), we had the enlightening pleasure of conducting separate interviews with three Sista’s Place principles — founders community activist Viola Plummer and attorney Roger Wareham, and Sista’s artistic director of jazz programming, trumpeter-bandleader and Sun Ra alum Ahmed Abdullah. This is part one of their commentary on the development of this increasingly rare venue — a black-operated and oriented community house for jazz music. I had previously interviewed Wareham for the former IAJE Journal back in the 90s, at the behest of the former BET Jazz major domo and current BET executive Paxton Baker who had funded Sista’s, so I was familiar with their first locale. Bringing Viola Plummer and Ahmed Abdullah’s voices into the commentary along with Wareham shed much further light.

The whole feel and philosophy behind Sista’s Place recalls the former Brooklyn cultural edifice known as the East, the life of which was detailed in a previous Independent Ear interview with Jitu Weusi, also part of our Weeksville project (check the IE archives). As was the case with the East, Sista’s Place was developed on a political foundation, in this case known as the December 12th movement. We begin with the mother of Sista’s Place, Viola Plummer.

Why is your organization known as the December 12th movement?
Viola Plummer: Some years ago there was an incident in upstate New York where the guards in the Orange County Jail house put on Ku Klux Klan outfits and abused two African American and one Latino prisoner. At that time three of our brothers were on trial in Goshen for weapons’ possession and we had a judge that was from hell. So when we went to court for our three brothers, the mother of one of the victims in the county jail heard us take on the judge. After that she said to us “You know, these young men were brutalized… and nothing has happened… This was in Newburg, NY in ’87 and we need some of your spirit up here.” So we began to talk to her about how we take on the county jail apparatus in Orange County. We had a subsequent date for our three brothers [who were on trial].

Talk about the December 12 movement in terms of arts & culture.
VP: One of the things is that we — because of our politics — we understand that culture is the transmission belt of struggle, of understanding who you are, what the value of it was. Our advent into needing to have somewhere musicians could play is that we had a series in Harlem called “Jazz Comes to Fight Back,” and the first person we [presented], at the old Music & Arts High School, was Wynton Marsalis when he first came [onto the scene]. Because we understood that jazz expressed who we were, and talked about our humanity and our values; it was in the music, it was in the rhythms, it was in the melody and the riffs. For December 12th it was the way in which we could say to the people that struggle is for liberation and that there is no struggle for struggle’s sake; art is that expression, and the music… sister Thulani always says, and it’s so true, that music saved our lives. From the blues to the gospel, to jazz, to R&B… it really saved our lives. And for the December 12th movement people heard our politics better [as a result of the music]. From Africa, to Brooklyn, to Harlem, to Goshen… it was always the music, it was always the dance…

In the whole development of your efforts through the December 12th movement, what have been your activities in the area of arts & culture?
Roger Wareham: Politically one of our slogans or mantras is that “culture is a weapon.” For every struggle for liberation one of the most important components, if not the most important component, is culture. And that takes many forms. I always remember a lecture that Amilcar Cabral, who led the liberation struggle in Guinea-Bissau, gave in the Cape Verde Islands. He started off the discussion talking about [Nazi commander Herman] Goebbels, and how whenever the Nazis had a discussion and the issue of culture came up, Goebbels took out his gun and put it on the table because he was really clear that if you were going to suppress a people, to conquer them you had to destroy their culture. We always saw culture as a key component for our struggle for liberation. So the theme of Sista’s Place is “culture is a weapon.”

We opened on September 23, 1995 on John Coltrane’s birthday; we start our season around then and we’ve always had artists who reflect some degree of consciousness of the nature of our struggle. So we’ve never separated the art from the culture. It’s been mainly music, but we also have poetry; Luis Reyes Rivera conducts poetry workshops and we’ve had different people producing plays. But we’ve never separated — and we don’t want those who enjoy the culture to separate culture from the history and the struggle that created it, it’s a part of it and it also feeds and energizes it.

What was the decision behind determining that Sista’s Place was going to have a jazz presence?

VP: We thought that in this community, after the East was gone, after all the music places were gone… and remember, we had started [the jazz policy] in Harlem [with] “Jazz Comes to Fight Back” because we feel that it is jazz that really expresses, at least for us old people, our culture; it’s the music that grew out of struggle, that got interpreted, and that some of the brothers and sisters [jazz musicians] that are still alive didn’t play in our community, because there were no places to play [jazz in the black community of Brooklyn] when we started. I said the music I like best is jazz, so they called me the jazz policeman; I thought that was the music that was needed in our community.

When we were in the former location down the street, there was a brother who worked for the railroad who had three boys and he would bring them every [jazz] night. Then there was another lady who has passed away, her nephew would come and they would be awestruck at how these brothers had conquered their instruments, and they would listen… they HEARD the music!

RW: I’m from Harlem [laughs]… When you say you’re from Harlem you don’t deal with Brooklyn; Brooklyn was like you needed a passport to come to Brooklyn back in the day. I don’t know chapter and verse, but I understand the richness of Brooklyn’s contribution to jazz, and maybe more so than Harlem because a lot of folks who played there weren’t indigenous to Harlem, whereas a lot of folks emerged out of Brooklyn. Our first [Sista’s Place] spot was on the corner of Jefferson and Nostrand. Jefferson begins at Claver Place, and Claver Place is where the East was, at 10 Claver Place. So you just walked from the East right up to Sista’s Place; so it’s almost a geographic and physical part of that [East] legacy.

Ahmed Abdullah, when you moved to Brooklyn in 1970, what was it like for jazz in Brooklyn at that time?

Ahmed Abdullah: I came in on the decline of the golden era. I’ve talked to other people who were involved in the earlier jazz in Brooklyn when all the other clubs were around. During that time [1970] we had the Blue Coronet, there was the Muse on Bedford Avenue near Lincoln Place; people like [saxophonist and late brother of Kenny Barron] Bill Barron, [bassist] Reggie Workman, [saxophonist] Roland Alexander, and [poet] Louis Reyes Rivera were all at The Muse. Bill Barron ran jam sessions there and it was one of the places that I got my roots in music because he was very gracious in allowing musicians to come and play. There were some great musicians who played there; [pianist] Danny Mixon, for example, would come and play there all the time; all of the cats that were part of the [Muse] staff would also come and perform in these jam sessions. So the Muse was a very important cultural institution, and Reggie Workman was in fact the administrator of Muse at that time.

In the 1970s many of the musicians lived around Williamsburg, around Broadway and Bedford. Rashied Ali had a group there called the Melodic Art-Tet, and the group actually consisted of [saxophonist] Charles Brackeen, [bassist] Ronnie Boykins, and Roger Blank, and we used to rehearse at Rashied Ali‘s place; he had a loft in Brooklyn. This was before he got his loft in Soho that became Ali’s Alley in the mid-70s.

Would you say those enclaves of musicians and subsequent performances in such spaces were kind of an outgrowth of the Black Arts Movement?

A.A.: Oh definitely, because there was a lot of cultural awareness happening in the 1970s and we were definitely picking up on what had happened in the 1960s and in fact instituting some of those actions in institutions. The 70s was a realization of the activities of the 1960s in many ways. The East certainly was that, and certainly what we were doing at 1310 Atlantic Avenue was that; it was a very rich time. I played the East a number of different times; I played the East with a group called the Brotherhood of Sound, with a group called the Master Brotherhood, with the Melodic Art-Tet, and I played there with Sun Ra. My very first performance with Sun Ra was at the East, in April 1975. This is a very [ironic] thing, playing at the East; I’m now teaching a block away from the East at PS3, and a block away from that is Sista’s Place! So there is a spiritual connection. I came to the East in 1975, to Sista’s Place in 1998, and I started teaching at PS3 in 2005. All of these things are stacked up in a row on that avenue.

Info & complete performance schedule for the Saturday Night jazz series: www.sistasplace.org

Stay tuned to the Independent Ear for Part Two on the development of Sista’s Place.

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